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The U.S.A should cut miliary spending
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Blues and Raptors handed two very toxic teams embarrassing losses, 95% of the sports world is rejoicing in the news
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Blues and Raptors handed two very toxic teams embarrassing losses, 95% of the sports world is rejoicing in the news
Repealing the Second Amendment is the first step to Totalitarianism, and it needs to be prevented to protect our freedom
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Also, you said that should the U.S follow the lead of the nations who failed to impose a no fly zone over Libya, which isn't the best comparison when you consider that some of the nations involved are known be neutral *cough Sweden cough* so, of course they're not exactly the nation to rely on to handle a no fly zone.
Even then, like I said, just because you got a big army, doesn't mean you win. Look at the Soviet-Afghan War. The U.S.S.R has huge army compared to Afghanistan, and guess what? The Soviets didn't just lose, oh no, they got smoked! History has shown that just because you got a huge army, doesn't mean if A. you overspend on it, and B. you're actually good at running *cough Italy cough*
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I do agree with Trump, however, on the idea that, rather than the US policing the world with its army, the decentralization of the military spending should occur, meaning the UK, the EU countries, Japan, Canada and other close allies should have sizable armies and military spending on their own, so they do not depend on the US so much and the US does not have to spend disproportionally more funds on the military sector, than the allies.
In this regard, perhaps sharp decrease of military spending in the US would urge those countries to make up for it by increasing their own spending. While the wide US presence and/or providing heavy funding in/for such hot spots as South Korea, Taiwan or Israel is essential, the US could spend much less on maintaining countless bases in Western/Central Europe and in Japan, where no danger from the outside is present.
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This rest is not at you @MayCaesar it's separate.
There are villages in Afghanistan that don't even know what's going on in that country! https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3829425/War-war-Afghan-tribe-remote-didn-t-know-Taliban-overthrown-captured-stunning-images.html Which btw this is a heavily conservative biased source.
How long did it take us to find Osama housin out in a somewhat friendly country? Would another super carrier or new jet fighter make it easier to find him?
Do you really think ww3 would even be fought with conventional weapons? Personally I think it will be a war in cyberspace, which America is already getting it's kicked in. How about instead of developing a new tank we put that money into cyber warfare? Note an Abram tank has never been destroyed by an enemy combatant. Look what happened in the Cuban embassy, look at the Sony hack, look at how the electrical grid in Vermont got shut down in a shockingly similar way to how Russia shut down Ukraine's electrical grid.
America has pathetic cyber security. Could you imagine what would happen if China, NK, or Russia shut the stock exchange down for just two days?
It is always easier to be a hacker than to design security, but we don't need to be making it easier. Teenagers were able to hack our voting system in a contest. Of course that doesn't help out Betsy Devos brother's attempts to convince us to privatize the military, or help chaney get money through halliburton, or how the obama administration became the biggest arms dealer in the world. It wasnt that long ago that the right called out hillary for being a war hawk, inevitably supporting the military industrial complex.
This issue isn't left or right at all, it's a matter of class systems. If you want real defensive and offensive capabilities you need to invest in cyber warfare, but that makes a lot less money for the people at the top because you need significantly less employees and need little to no physical products to create an effective force.
It's completely fair to say I'm wrong in this next statement. I think ww III has already started via cyber warfare, but the majority of the US hasn't woken up to that. Especially since our politicians fall for simple phishing scams so easily.
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The US needs a big military budget to defend South Korea and Japan from communist influence. While the US spends way more then China, China has a geographical advantage due to it's proximity to Korea, so the US has to maintain and even expand it's military in order to invade places like Africa, which would help out the Americans and the Africans out a lot in the long term. I could get into why we should do that later if you respond asking me about it.
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Blues and Raptors handed two very toxic teams embarrassing losses, 95% of the sports world is rejoicing in the news
Repealing the Second Amendment is the first step to Totalitarianism, and it needs to be prevented to protect our freedom
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"The U.S.A should cut miliary spending"
And cut military spending for what fiscal purpose?
Money talk usually has an agenda being behind.
Because in the bigger picture, North Korea, Iran, and Russia if I'm not mistaken, has been a continuing issue, for how many years now?
Does anyone think that maybe, the other countries, are going to sit back, and not continuing to work and upgrade their weapons systems?
They are, so the small picture talk, of the USA should cut military spending forthe military, is just that, small picture thinking, in a day and age that still has long range missiles in the news.
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Oh Lord, please don't let me be misunderstood"
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Republicans love to scream about the deficit when they aren't in power, and now that they had two years to do anything they wanted, they did literally nothing to lower the deficit AND increased spending. When they do give their hollow talk about reducing the deficit they like to aim at things like PBS, 445 million. But then turn right around and increase military spending by tens of billions for a total of 639 billion. 20% of all government spending is on the military, let's cut that back to at least 600 billion.
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so you'd rather have the government continue to over pay, waste money and not be as efficient as they should be, and you just want them to lower the amount they waste, over spend etc, I couldn't imagine running my financial life like that, doesn't seem very financially sound.
what % of the budget do you think is due to all the things I listed?
maybe you don't know about the hammers and toilet seats (that's just a couple of military items, we don't need to talk about studying how shrimp walk etc)
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what they paid for hammers and toilet seats is responsible to you? Imagine what we DON'T know about. Capitalism says nothing, events and facts do.
Oh Lord, please don't let me be misunderstood"
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"I feel the U.S government should cut military spending, prove me otherwise."
Do you know anything about military spending?
Do you know anything about the infrastructure involved with the military?
Do you know how much funding it takes to feed the United States military abroud?
Do you know how much it takes to clothe, provide medical care, for the active military, and the veterans who have already severved in the US military?
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https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Military_budget_of_the_United_States
"Military budget of the United States"
The military budget is the portion of the discretionary United States federal budget allocated to the Department of Defense, or more broadly, the portion of the budget that goes to any military-related expenditures. The military budget pays the salaries, training, and health care of uniformed and civilian personnel, maintains arms, equipment and facilities, funds operations, and develops and buys new items. The budget funds four branches of the U.S. military: the Army, Marine Corps, Navy, and Air Force. In FY 2017, the Congressional Budget Office reported spending of $590 billion for defense, about 15% of the federal budget.[1] For the FY 2019 President Donald Trump proposed an increase to the military to $686.1 billion. [2]
Budget by yearEdit
The following is historical spending on defense from 1996-2015, spending for 2014-15 is estimated.[3] The Defense Budget is shown in billions of dollars and total budget in trillions of dollars. The percentage of the total U.S. federal budget spent on defense is indicated in the third row, and change in defense spending from the previous year in the final row.
Budget for 2011Edit
For the 2011 fiscal year, the president's base budget for the Department of Defense and spending on "overseas contingency operations" combine to bring the sum to US$664.84 billion.[4][5]
When the budget was signed into law on 28 October 2009, the final size of the Department of Defense's budget was $680 billion, $16 billion more than President Obama had requested.[6] An additional $37 billion supplemental bill to support the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan was expected to pass in the spring of 2010, but has been delayed by the House of Representatives after passing the Senate.[7][8]
Emergency and supplemental spendingEdit
The recent military operations in Iraq and Afghanistan were largely funded through supplementary spending bills outside the federal budget, which are not included in the military budget figures listed below.[9] However, the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan were categorized as "overseas contingency operations" in the starting of the fiscal year 2010, and the budget is included in the federal budget.[citation needed]
By the end of 2008, the U.S. had spent approximately $900 billion in direct costs on the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan. The government also incurred indirect costs, which include interests on additional debt and incremental costs, financed by the Veterans Administration, of caring for more than 33,000 wounded. Some experts estimate the indirect costs will eventually exceed the direct costs.[10] As of June 2011, the total cost of the wars was approximately $1.3 trillion.[11]
By titleEdit
The federally budgeted (see below) military expenditure of the United States Department of Defense for fiscal year 2013 are as follows. While data is provided from the 2015 budget, data for 2014 and 2015 is estimated, and thus data is shown for the last year for which definite data exists (2013).[3]
By entityEdit
Programs spending more than $1.5 billionEdit
The Department of Defense's FY 2011 $137.5 billion procurement and $77.2 billion RDT&E budget requests included several programs worth more than $1.5 billion.
Other military-related expendituresEdit
This does not include many military-related items that are outside of the Defense Department budget, such as nuclear weapons research, maintenance, cleanup, and production, which are in the Atomic Energy Defense Activities section,[17] Veterans Affairs, the Treasury Department's payments in pensions to military retirees and widows and their families, interest on debt incurred in past wars, or State Department financing of foreign arms sales and militarily-related development assistance. Neither does it include defense spending that is not military in nature, such as the Department of Homeland Security, counter-terrorism spending by the Federal Bureau of Investigation, and intelligence-gathering spending by NSA.
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The veterans clinics, and the veterans hospitals across the country.
Commissaries, medical and dental clinics, as well, that take care of the soldiers, and the families also, along with housing.
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Why do you find the previous points of view irrelevant?
"The U.S.A should cut miliary spending
I feel the U.S government should cut military spending, prove me otherwise"
Military spending isn't just for the military exclusively, its for the military families, and the veterans as well.
The veterans clinics, and the veterans hospitals across the country.
Commissaries, medical and dental clinics, as well, that take care of the soldiers, and the families also, along with housing.
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Why no counter arguments?
From your own perspectives, why do you believe that the US government should cut military spending?
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"I agree. We would be better off if we could spend the money on Medicare for all citizens."
A thought, the Space Shuttle program was done away with:
Space Shuttle program - Wikipedia
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Some of humanity, helping the rest humanity to become non defense focused, instead of being defense focused?
Which may be a few decades or centuries from now?
The words "War, and a military," are very ingrained from within, the very dialects that humanity draws it various languages from.
So until humanity in general, mindfully tires of the words "War and military," humanity, is I guess, going to continue to experience the words "War, and a military," until humanity as a whole learns to live without those very words as a part of its own dialect, language choices?
Imagine, the words (War, or military) residing from within the confines of a dictionary or in a history museum only?
And being talked about in past tense situations only?
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Blues and Raptors handed two very toxic teams embarrassing losses, 95% of the sports world is rejoicing in the news
Repealing the Second Amendment is the first step to Totalitarianism, and it needs to be prevented to protect our freedom
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"The U.S.A should cut miliary spending
I feel the U.S government should cut military spending, prove me otherwise"
Military spending isn't just for the military exclusively, its for the military families, and the veterans as well.
The veterans clinics, and the veterans hospitals across the country.
Commissaries, medical and dental clinics, as well, that take care of the soldiers, and the families also, along with housing.
So you view the above questions as this?
"because your questions are always off topic and not worth wasting my time"
I would hope that all the above would be worth your time?
So who's position are you taking when you want to judge how the US government apparently utilizes funds for military spending, to prove you otherwise?
Are you maybe trying to judge the Government?
The United States military?
The military families?
The veterans?
Or maybe the overall infrastructure that is used to manage all of the above?
I included various websites as reference material, did you maybe review them?
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Blues and Raptors handed two very toxic teams embarrassing losses, 95% of the sports world is rejoicing in the news
Repealing the Second Amendment is the first step to Totalitarianism, and it needs to be prevented to protect our freedom
http://www.atheistrepublic.com/
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All of this stuff... Off topic
You asked your question.
"The U.S.A should cut miliary spending
I feel the U.S government should cut military spending, prove me otherwise"
Exactly what type of a response are you looking for?
(Military spending isn't just for the military exclusively, its for the military families, and the veterans as well.
The veterans clinics, and the veterans hospitals across the country.
Commissaries, medical and dental clinics, as well, that take care of the soldiers, and the families also, along with housing.
So you view the above questions as this?
"because your questions are always off topic and not worth wasting my time"
I would hope that all the above would be worth your time?
So who's position are you taking when you want to judge how the US government apparently utilizes funds for military spending, to prove you otherwise?
Are you maybe trying to judge the Government?
The United States military?
The military families?
The veterans?
Or maybe the overall infrastructure that is used to manage all of the above?
I included various websites as reference material, did you maybe review them?)
I provided reference material as well, and you view that material as off topic as well?
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Just to be clear, even if you are on topic, it seems like the only thing you want to do is post article after article, and never actually address points that are posed to you. I would be shocked if you actually took the time to respond to me here with anything but the same basic points you’ve been posting here because that’s been my experience in these forums with you. Get past the basic hurdle of showing that you care enough to address our responses and you might see people engage with you in return.
I will say, however, that this is not my attempt to get into this discussion. I’d honestly just love to see you actually participate rather than use every post to pose questions and provide copy-pasted articles without context or summary. Who knows? Maybe on this topic you’ll actually hear me out.
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If you maybe have an issue, please take it up with Aarong?
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"The U.S.A should cut miliary spending
I feel the U.S government should cut military spending, prove me otherwise"
What is your response?
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...Seriously? It’s not a site issue. I am not angling to get you banned. I am not saying your conduct is so toxic that you are damaging to the site. I’m saying that the way you interact with those who disagree with you does absolutely nothing to further any of the debates you’ve been a part of, and I’m hoping that by making clear what isn’t helping, you’ll at least engage with the ways that you interact with others on the site. Maybe you’ll defend the absolute lack of effort to respond to us, or maybe you’ll provide some reason why your tactics somehow make sense. Not that I’m holding my breath - you don’t even seem willing to interact with me when I’m only challenging you on your behavior. Who knows? Maybe you’ll do more than just throw out red herrings or ignore my posts every time you see them. I can dream.
Oh, and in case I wasn’t clear earlier (let’s face it, I was, and you just didn’t read the post), I’m not interested in debating you on this topic or any other. I’m telling you that every time we’ve interacted had been little more than a chore without any payoff. You refuse to interact with my points, refuse to defend your own, present nonsequitor articles with no context, and ask questions ad nauseum that have already been answered. You want me to interact with you? Engage with me first.
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What do your previous points of view have to do with the theme of the forum?
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These posts have nothing to do with the topic, they have everything to do with you. They are not, however, previous points of view. You’re doing the same things here that you’ve done in every discussion. So, I’ll ask one last time: can you just respond to one thing I’ve said?
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What does the below from you, have to do with the theme of the forum?
"These posts have nothing to do with the topic, they have everything to do with you. They are not, however, previous points of view."
"You’re doing the same things here that you’ve done in every discussion. So, I’ll ask one last time: can you just respond to one thing I’ve said?"
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It’s questions like this that make me seriously question if you read a word of what I said, and it’s posts like these that reenforce the reasons I had once chosen to forgo continuing to try engaging with you. If this is your response to my attempts to talk to you directly, to keep ignoring the issues I’m bringing up and fail to even engage with anything I’m saying, then you’ve made quite clear that this isn’t just a pattern for you. It’s the only way you know how to engage with anyone. If that’s what you want, once again, you can do so without me.
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